Comments on: How To Kick Your Thyroid’s Ass: Think Fatty, Not Faddy Part II, OR, How To Be Nutritionally Deviant http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/ We Are At The Beginning Of Change... Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:46:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Zari http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3019 Zari Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:58:35 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3019 Yeah, so if I go low fat, low carb, no animal protein, where does that leave me? Binging on soy, which would fuck up my thyroid (if I had one) and probably a bunch of other stuff if I ate that much of it. Truthfully I suspect that even the "bad"fats found in red meat are not so bad for you in moderation. It's just that as Americans we are not moderate. We either do too much or too little. We search for the wonder food that will cure all our ills all by itself if we just eat huge amounts of it. Or the villian that must be eliminated. I don't eat a lot of refined sugar and transfat or for that matter much processed food except for pasta and tomato sauce. But just about every food has something bad about it. All those goitrogenic foods like broccoli, or for that matter the oxalic acid in spinach and chard, or the cyanide in apple seeds and almonds. What we have to learn is that their is no substitute for eating moderate amounts of food, probably in a good variety, with most of it being the basically good stuff- fruits, vegies, plant fats with some fish or animal for those of us who aren't vegetarian, and avoid most of the cookies, cakes, donuts, and mcdonalds stuff that our body tells us is so good because our body is even more confused than our thyroid gland. It honestly believes, based on about 100,000 years of irrefutable evidence and history, that famine is just around the corner and our best bet is to fatten up today so we can outlive the skinny people and as a last resort eat their corpses. Well, body, you're wrong. Great post Liz. Thanks Zari Yeah, so if I go low fat, low carb, no animal protein, where does that leave me? Binging on soy, which would fuck up my thyroid (if I had one) and probably a bunch of other stuff if I ate that much of it.

Truthfully I suspect that even the “bad”fats found in red meat are not so bad for you in moderation. It’s just that as Americans we are not moderate. We either do too much or too little. We search for the wonder food that will cure all our ills all by itself if we just eat huge amounts of it. Or the villian that must be eliminated. I don’t eat a lot of refined sugar and transfat or for that matter much processed food except for pasta and tomato sauce. But just about every food has something bad about it. All those goitrogenic foods like broccoli, or for that matter the oxalic acid in spinach and chard, or the cyanide in apple seeds and almonds.

What we have to learn is that their is no substitute for eating moderate amounts of food, probably in a good variety, with most of it being the basically good stuff- fruits, vegies, plant fats with some fish or animal for those of us who aren’t vegetarian, and avoid most of the cookies, cakes, donuts, and mcdonalds stuff that our body tells us is so good because our body is even more confused than our thyroid gland. It honestly believes, based on about 100,000 years of irrefutable evidence and history, that famine is just around the corner and our best bet is to fatten up today so we can outlive the skinny people and as a last resort eat their corpses. Well, body, you’re wrong.

Great post Liz. Thanks

Zari

]]> By: dearthyroid http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3018 dearthyroid Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:35:36 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3018 Zari, YES. Exactly! Many vitamins are fat-soluble and our brains, joints, nerves, hair, skin, and nails all require fats to function. The dysfunctional thing is that we lump all fats into one category: bad. Yes, certainly, there ARE bad fats: the ones you get at the fast food joint. But there are GOOD fats we NEED to be eating for healthy bodily function. It's just a shame that more people are delineating between the bad kinds of fats and the good/natural/from-the-ground kinds of fats. Liz Zari, YES. Exactly! Many vitamins are fat-soluble and our brains, joints, nerves, hair, skin, and nails all require fats to function. The dysfunctional thing is that we lump all fats into one category: bad. Yes, certainly, there ARE bad fats: the ones you get at the fast food joint. But there are GOOD fats we NEED to be eating for healthy bodily function. It’s just a shame that more people are delineating between the bad kinds of fats and the good/natural/from-the-ground kinds of fats.

Liz

]]> By: Zari http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3017 Zari Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:08:10 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3017 This is nice to think about. Not that I want to cook with coconut oil, but because I used to really like to eat coconuts. And I figure just eating the coconut is probably even better for you than the oil alone. The mainstream nutritionists say keep fats below 30% of your caloric intake. That's still a lot of fat. But somehow less than 30% became zero in our minds. At this point it might be good to point out that brain and nerve cells are made of fat, and that many vitamins are fat soluable. The supermodel types with 3% body fat are actually pretty unhealthy. I had a friend who was an ultramarathoneer and her body fat was at about 2%. She needed surgery and the doctor said he didn't want to operate until she got her body fat up to about 5% minimum. Our societal dysfunction with this sort of thing is well summed up by the description of America as the place where the poor are fat and the rich are thin...... Zari This is nice to think about. Not that I want to cook with coconut oil, but because I used to really like to eat coconuts. And I figure just eating the coconut is probably even better for you than the oil alone.

The mainstream nutritionists say keep fats below 30% of your caloric intake. That’s still a lot of fat. But somehow less than 30% became zero in our minds. At this point it might be good to point out that brain and nerve cells are made of fat, and that many vitamins are fat soluable.

The supermodel types with 3% body fat are actually pretty unhealthy. I had a friend who was an ultramarathoneer and her body fat was at about 2%. She needed surgery and the doctor said he didn’t want to operate until she got her body fat up to about 5% minimum.

Our societal dysfunction with this sort of thing is well summed up by the description of America as the place where the poor are fat and the rich are thin……

Zari

]]> By: amy http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-/#comment-3016 amy Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:07:36 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3016 Thanks Liz! I have, of course, read your article on dairy. I have thought about giving it up but that one will be harder than gluten/grains for me. I have now been grain free for about a week and half and really feel much better. I don't get as hungry! i do not drink a ton of milk, just a little half & half in my one morning cup of coffee and i like nancy's yogurt and a little sour cream here and there. Since I am sugar free now that took care of ice cream issue! It is hard when for 26 years I have eaten whatever and not cared or even known that much about food. And now I am seeing the big picture of things. What makes it harder for me sometimes is my husband is picky and as much of a healthful eater as I am.(I am trying to train my daughter:).) I have just got two new books protein power by the Eades and stop pre diabetes now by jack challem. So, I look forward to reading these and learning all I that can so I can be healthier! Thanks for your info and the link on coconut oil! As soon as I can I will get some! It is interesting how the mother and son diabetics do not take meds just coconut oil! I have also been loving dr. mercola's web site! Thanks, Amy Thanks Liz! I have, of course, read your article on dairy. I have thought about giving it up but that one will be harder than gluten/grains for me. I have now been grain free for about a week and half and really feel much better. I don’t get as hungry! i do not drink a ton of milk, just a little half & half in my one morning cup of coffee and i like nancy’s yogurt and a little sour cream here and there. Since I am sugar free now that took care of ice cream issue! It is hard when for 26 years I have eaten whatever and not cared or even known that much about food. And now I am seeing the big picture of things. What makes it harder for me sometimes is my husband is picky and as much of a healthful eater as I am.(I am trying to train my daughter:).) I have just got two new books protein power by the Eades and stop pre diabetes now by jack challem. So, I look forward to reading these and learning all I that can so I can be healthier! Thanks for your info and the link on coconut oil! As soon as I can I will get some! It is interesting how the mother and son diabetics do not take meds just coconut oil! I have also been loving dr. mercola’s web site! Thanks, Amy

]]> By: lizschau http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-/#comment-3015 lizschau Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:06:45 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3015 Kay, well thank you so much for the compliment and welcome! we're so glad to see you! i really couldn't agree with you more. the conventional food/nutrition wisdom we've been following is not making us any healthier. vegetable/soy oil is doing damage to our bodies, as are hydrogenated oils. in terms of the molecular structure, i knew that coconut oil barely changed when heated, but i didn't know the same was true for palm oil. that's great. yeah, i don't heat olive oil for that very reason... i only use it for cool dishes/salads, etc, or for finishing. i really love coconut oil, but did use my palm oil the first time last night and i don't mind it at all. it does have a noticeable smoky/earthy flavor, which only took a little getting used to. i read on a few sites that it's "flavorless", which just isn't true. nonetheless, i'm all about the healthy, plant-based saturated fats. do you have any good recipes for using palm oil? :) Kay,

well thank you so much for the compliment and welcome! we’re so glad to see you!

i really couldn’t agree with you more. the conventional food/nutrition wisdom we’ve been following is not making us any healthier. vegetable/soy oil is doing damage to our bodies, as are hydrogenated oils.

in terms of the molecular structure, i knew that coconut oil barely changed when heated, but i didn’t know the same was true for palm oil. that’s great. yeah, i don’t heat olive oil for that very reason… i only use it for cool dishes/salads, etc, or for finishing. i really love coconut oil, but did use my palm oil the first time last night and i don’t mind it at all. it does have a noticeable smoky/earthy flavor, which only took a little getting used to. i read on a few sites that it’s “flavorless”, which just isn’t true. nonetheless, i’m all about the healthy, plant-based saturated fats.

do you have any good recipes for using palm oil?
:)

]]> By: lizschau http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3014 lizschau Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:58:42 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3014 awesome, thank you. :) awesome, thank you. :)

]]> By: kay http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3013 kay Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:52:10 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3013 It's so refreshing to read something more informed for a change. I've come across many who freak out and turn their heads immediately after seeing the word 'SATURATED FAT'... Palm oil is scientifically proven to be healthy oil. It has no cholesterol and contains extremely high antioxidants and almost 30times more carotene than carrots. As for the much feared saturated fats... it has already been proven many times in the past 5 years that it's the only type of oil you should cook with as it doesn't change molecular shape when you heat it, hence it isn't carcinogenic in the long run. Here's an article by Chef Rachel Matesz on the oils we should use and also a simple experiment we could try at home to see some vegetable oil turn into plastic: http://www.palmoilconsumer.com/Palm-Oil-And-Health/Good-Vegetable-Oils.aspx This link contains about everything you need to know about palm oil: http://www.palmoilconsumer.com/Palm-Oil-And-Health/Red-Palm-Oil-and-Your-Carotene-Needs.aspx It’s so refreshing to read something more informed for a change. I’ve come across many who freak out and turn their heads immediately after seeing the word ‘SATURATED FAT’… Palm oil is scientifically proven to be healthy oil. It has no cholesterol and contains extremely high antioxidants and almost 30times more carotene than carrots. As for the much feared saturated fats… it has already been proven many times in the past 5 years that it’s the only type of oil you should cook with as it doesn’t change molecular shape when you heat it, hence it isn’t carcinogenic in the long run.

Here’s an article by Chef Rachel Matesz on the oils we should use and also a simple experiment we could try at home to see some vegetable oil turn into plastic:
http://www.palmoilconsumer.com/Palm-Oil-And-Health/Good-Vegetable-Oils.aspx

This link contains about everything you need to know about palm oil:
http://www.palmoilconsumer.com/Palm-Oil-And-Health/Red-Palm-Oil-and-Your-Carotene-Needs.aspx

]]> By: Robyn http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3012 Robyn Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:27:28 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3012 http://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls/default.htm You can tailor your updates based on medical, food, etc. http://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls/default.htm
You can tailor your updates based on medical, food, etc.

]]> By: Robyn http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3011 Robyn Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:25:59 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3011 Nope. State laws vary, and are easily "googleable". It was banned largely due to public health risk. IIRC, this applies to milk and yogurt, but not cheese, since even if raw milk is used, it is somehow processed along the way (but still able to be contaminated). I would not buy raw milk if I couldn't lay eyes on the cow myself. I subscribe to the FDA's updates and EVERY DAY there are manufactured food recalls. EVERY DAY. I just don't think you can trust anything mass-made when it comes to food (for many reasons, of course), and milk is an easy medium to culture bacteria (obviously, or we wouldn't have cheese and yogurt). Nope. State laws vary, and are easily “googleable”. It was banned largely due to public health risk. IIRC, this applies to milk and yogurt, but not cheese, since even if raw milk is used, it is somehow processed along the way (but still able to be contaminated). I would not buy raw milk if I couldn’t lay eyes on the cow myself. I subscribe to the FDA’s updates and EVERY DAY there are manufactured food recalls. EVERY DAY. I just don’t think you can trust anything mass-made when it comes to food (for many reasons, of course), and milk is an easy medium to culture bacteria (obviously, or we wouldn’t have cheese and yogurt).

]]> By: lizschau http://dearthyroid.org/how-to-kick-your-thyroids-ass-think-fatty-not-faddy-part-ii-or-how-to-be-nutritionally-deviant/comment-page-1/#comment-3010 lizschau Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:14:32 +0000 http://dearthyroid.wordpress.com/?p=1717#comment-3010 anita, love that you're loving the coconut oil. a great site you can order some from is TropicalTraditions.com. everyone has great things to say about them, though i've never ordered from them. so you're doing well once off gluten? that is FABULOUS! premium fuel is so true. i feel like, i have a disease. clearly, my body is so freaking sensitive or i wouldn't have a disease. therefore, i need to fuel it with the best of the best. so far, it's helped. some things have come quickly, some things are taking longer to help. it's just part of this process/journey toward whatever degree of wellness we can achieve while having a disease. love what your friend said. :) anita,

love that you’re loving the coconut oil. a great site you can order some from is TropicalTraditions.com. everyone has great things to say about them, though i’ve never ordered from them.

so you’re doing well once off gluten? that is FABULOUS! premium fuel is so true. i feel like, i have a disease. clearly, my body is so freaking sensitive or i wouldn’t have a disease. therefore, i need to fuel it with the best of the best. so far, it’s helped. some things have come quickly, some things are taking longer to help. it’s just part of this process/journey toward whatever degree of wellness we can achieve while having a disease.

love what your friend said. :)

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